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Pompeii 79 A.D. : the Scream


Pompeii 79 A.D. : the Scream
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Copyright: Marco Rossi (Urfaust) Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1844 W: 60 N: 3004] (13317)
Genre: People
Medium: Color
Date Taken: 2008-01-12
Categories: Artwork, Decisive Moment, Experimental, Abstract, Action, Mood, HPP [Heavily Post-Processed], Portrait
Camera: Nikon D-80, Nikkor 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AFS-DX
Exposure: f/3.5, 1/60 seconds
More Photo Info: [view]
Photo Version: Original Version, Workshop
Theme(s): Lens Lover's Award [view contributor(s)]
Date Submitted: 2008-01-15 13:47
Viewed: 22865
Points: 99
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Pompeii 79 A.D.: the Scream

79 A.D., 24, august... the eruption of Vesuvio cancels Pompei (Pompeii) and Ercolano (Herculaneum) !!
sufferance of two thousands years ago... is in this expression...
and it’s the same of our time!!
We are nothing more than a blow in the wind!!
It’s hard to understand how is to die!!
I dont know about it.. but this image is so intense!!
Maybe it's only a lapse of time.. and nothing more for centuries...

Image was taken in the Villa of the Mysteries... in Pompeii
i have used flash.. there was no light inside!
this should be a plaster cast.. infact as wikipedia says:
During early excavations of the site, occasional voids in the ash layer had been found that contained human remains. It was Fiorelli who realised these were spaces left by the decomposed bodies and so devised the technique of injecting plaster into them to perfectly recreate the forms of Vesuvius's victims. What resulted were highly accurate and eerie forms of the doomed Pompeiani who failed to escape, in their last moment of life, with the expression of terror often quite clearly visible..
but i’m not sure of that.. what i see here.. are real teeth, isnt it?!?!

Confutatis Maledictis is the mood for this shot.. here is perfection!!

i hope you like it all!!
comments and critics are welcome..
;)

P.s.: This expression made me think so much to “the scream” by E.Munch..
"I was walking along a path with two friends—the sun was setting—suddenly the sky turned blood red—I paused, feeling exhausted, and leaned on the fence—there was blood and tongues of fire above the blue-black fjord and the city—my friends walked on, and I stood there trembling with anxiety—and I sensed an infinite scream passing through nature."
i have worked on it to remind that picture!
Here others images in WS1 and WS2

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ThreadThread Starter Messages Updated
probably no screamsdiverjohn 1 02-13 09:53
To maestramari: ciao MariUrfaust 1 07-12 16:25
To marcocig: thanks martoUrfaust 2 01-17 10:01
To T_Janzen: translationOmnia 7 01-16 14:50
To rewshearer: thanks RewUrfaust 4 01-16 04:07
To szatanowska: ciao AniaUrfaust 2 01-16 02:56
To flashpoint: grazie SergioUrfaust 1 01-15 15:19
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Ciao Marco :)

Waouh ! Excellent and very intense shot my dear ! It makes me cold ... such as anxiety. Maybe i'm afraid of death, certainly.
It suggests so many things in its expression ... so much different feelings.
Very well captured and lovely framed. Thanks for having written in french ;)
Ciao
Marylou

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  • juyona Gold Star Critiquer [C: 2585 W: 1 N: 425] (10173)
  • [2008-01-15 14:19]

Hola Marco,
realmente original,
terrible momento,
excelente presentación y documento,
saludos

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  • NecipP Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor [C: 669 W: 16 N: 404] (4722)
  • [2008-01-15 15:05]

Hello Marco A shocking portrait, very well composed and illuminated. Sharp focus. Very well presented with the frame tfs rgds Necip

ciao Marco
l'urlo piu' famoso d'Europa e' approdato
a Napoli....colpa forse della monnezza??
in quel periodo c'era il Vesuvio che bruciava
tutto ora ci sono i politici che andrebbero...

ciao sERGIO

hi Marco
soon i'll post a 'natural scream'
what an incredible heritage !
you framed it well, and i don't know how you managed the colours but it's excllent and well balanced
regards
jo

Ciao Marco,

davvero impressionante! Il terrore fissato nei secoli dei secoli! Hai raggiunto pienamente il risultato di colpirci ;)

Bravo!

Gio

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  • Kiwis Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1273 W: 0 N: 189] (13118)
  • [2008-01-15 17:30]

Ciao Marco,
At first sight we would think that is the movie IRobot :) Seriously it is an image which is worth thousand words, we feels fright on its face. Good photo in workshop and explanatory note which supplements well. Thanks my friend
Diane

Of course the Vesuvia!
At first look i imagined a mummy and have difficlty with the eyes... Why they put them there? A torture?

An fast the explosion of that mountain i read it in a book i receive for my 7'th birththay. I remember it well cause it' the story i prefer... I was fascinated! A mountain who could explose and for real... It was beating any fiction i could imagine. I start at this age to enjoy monsters movies and fictions :)

The expression here is totally drive to the history. It was unimaginably cruel to finish that way i imagine!

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  • lopa Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1077 W: 239 N: 849] (8975)
  • [2008-01-15 18:42]

Hi Marco ,
Wonderful idea to show us this heritage. Excellent post with well balanced and well presented.
Nice POV and the DOF, Marco.
TFS
Lopa

Very haunting. You were successful in evoking the feeling and mood of the Munsch painting.
Could you do me a favour? I'm in China, and I just watched an Italian movie that closes with this untranslated quotation from Antoine de Saint-Exupery: "Tutti i grandi sono stati bambini una volta. Ma pochi di essi se ne ricordano." What does that mean? Could you give me the general idea? Thank you very much.

Excellent and very intense shot my friend!Bravo!Very originalshot and idea.
Ciao!
A.

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  • edal Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 579 W: 70 N: 644] (4308)
  • [2008-01-15 23:50]

Ciao Marco!
A capture, that makes us think about human life and... the strange twists of God's mercy...
Bravo!
Anton

Indeed it looks like real teeth ... boy, what a chilling image.

The light, the colours, the POV and the depth of field are all fantastic here, Marco.

If I may be honest, I personally feel the frame is not appropriate. Even 2000 years ago, this is still a dead human being and I would hope their remains could be portrayed with respect rather than being sensationalised.

The fact that you have called it "the scream" reminds us that this poor person died in terror, and probably pain, and it does not feel right to derive dramatic entertainment from that fact.

best regards
Rew

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  • pozaru Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 3627 W: 881 N: 2607] (21386)
  • [2008-01-16 0:41]

Really a great one, my friend; congrats !!!


thanks,
v

Hi dear friend,
I admire your last postings... they are full of wisdom
Even you used the flash it looks good.
Nice message with this posting.
All my congrats for the frame - a special one.
Best wishes,
Ioana
ps: many thanks for you kind comment to my 200th posting
:) soon

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  • ayse51 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2092 W: 144 N: 2110] (27563)
  • [2008-01-16 1:20]

Hi Marco,
interesting,different and great work.Congratulations.Necla.

Ciao Marco.
Really unbelieveble when you imaging what happened so long ago and still men can see what it was.
Perfect photo and well presented.
Ciao from jan

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  • chrisJ Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 4430 W: 637 N: 9632] (55124)
  • [2008-01-16 2:48]

Ciao Marco

Gruesome, even almost 2000 years later. I went & saw the Pompeii exhibition, when it came to Australia. I was stunned at just how sophisticated, the Roman Empire inhabitants were.

Hi Marco,
This is an awesome poster! Excellent close up, very appealing for history. The presentation in the outstanding frame is superb. The note is very informative and interesting.
Bravo!
Hans

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  • Silke Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2572 W: 237 N: 6132] (24044)
  • [2008-01-16 5:39]

Hello Marco
Despite the controversy (you and Rew have both raised fabulous questions -- fortunately we have the advantage of the distance of almost two millenia of time ), I think this is a superb image. I like the framing and the parallelism.
I see another parallel here. this man died gasping for air and today our modern world sometimes leaves us figuratively and physically gasping for air too.
Great posting
TFS
silke

Hi Marco,
Very impressive shot: portrait of a dead man.
Good presantation via nice frame.
Thanks for infomation about Pompei
Selahattin E

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  • milas Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2841 W: 398 N: 3076] (34114)
  • [2008-01-16 6:56]

merhaba myfriend Marco...
veryinteresting photo....
selamlar

It's so gruesome to look into his face! What emotion! What horror! You captured it and it's under my skin! Really powerful photo Marco! Amazing!
B-)
Linda

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  • gnada Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2538 W: 70 N: 4788] (22221)
  • [2008-01-16 7:19]

Hi Marco...
Ovo za mene ne znaci nista, ali mozda za nekog dobar Art.
Lepo slozeno i ostra fotka, ali...
Ipak ti dajem dva boda...
Cao, Marco

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  • jan515 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2792 W: 58 N: 4702] (20934)
  • [2008-01-16 8:00]

Ciao Marco,
Wonderful note my friend,excellent quality of the photography. A beautiful picture us again and again which new, beautiful colors see and detail, it pleases me very much.
Cio Janusz

Hello marco

I really like this presentation you have created, well composed and captured photo

TFS Kyle

Cool shot Marco,
Great emotion to the shot,
Well done! - Vincent

Marco...
**terrible good !**
A museum piece of work
Ciao

john T

Hi Marco!!
It's disgusting!!no one said that ever before?;]
I prefer Munch "scream" much more!!
I have never enjoyed skeletons maybe that is why i gave up studing archeology at University after few months:P
The only one subject according to my interests there was Philosophy..
Pic is good and PP too!well done!
Ciao
A


PS. Ah and Si! Delerium - Wisdom!!!
PS2.
History is repetitious!!!!
Death is my everyday bread!! Don't need to be remind about it!! it's normal we will all die !!
But for XXI century's people YES they need to be reminded!!! Everything is about beauty pleasure and younght!!about not streessing bringing up not talking about death like it doesn't exist!!
Than u showed the pic(only pic)and everyone is shocked!!!
I HAVE SEE DEATH ON MY OWN EYES!!
so i have seen worst things than just a skull from 79 AD!!!
Last death in my family was one month ago as my gradma died in agony !!

PS3.
Memento Mori!!!!

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  • AKITA Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1523 W: 73 N: 86] (20294)
  • [2008-01-16 14:46]

Hi Marco,
this image looks a little shining golden and silver colors in the reflections...in my feeling, "terrible scream" or "anxiety" doesn't seem to fit these brilliant colors...I prefer the WS images, these are truly real to me.
anyway, the "scream" is fully expressed in your image.
thank you,
Akihisa

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  • Dingo Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 2522 W: 368 N: 2626] (11964)
  • [2008-01-16 14:58]

Nice work, Marco. Compared to the other shots, this one is definitely the best imho. Very touching, due to the position of the body and the use of a close-up.
One nit-pick though: the text on top should have been on a top layer, now Pompeii is partly obscured by the arm.
I absolutely like the work you did on the frame, though... very subtle and equally beautiful!
TFS

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  • bizsu Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 227 W: 0 N: 71] (717)
  • [2008-01-16 15:38]

Ciao Marco,
Wow !! The photo is very good. Fantastic work. I got frightened of him. My heart beats 1000. I am sorry for it people. I believe this you wanted it . You are a good photographer.TFS.
Regards, Zsú

WOW Marco, impresive shot, great detail and great note. Congrats. TFS

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  • Fons Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1165 W: 2 N: 215] (16615)
  • [2008-01-17 0:24]

I was in Pompey and saw the pictures..

Hello Marco,
Very impressive shot.
Looks like mummy.
Good light and exposure. Even dead, seems he died with suffocation. Very nicely done.
Vandana
later

Macabra ma efficace Marco, splendida inquadratura, chissà se era un antenato di qualche politico di quelle parti, è impressionante sembra quasi di sentire il suo urlo, bravo, ciao Silvio

Hey Marto,

questa è davvero terrific!!!The flash makes it even more dramatic..
I like a lot the frame, really the best one of yours.

TFS

Marco

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  • ttreen Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1317 W: 129 N: 3792] (15759)
  • [2008-01-17 10:35]

WOW Mario,
This is dramatic... I think you captured it well. but boy what a rotten way to die.. that that any way is good.. but wow...
Thanks for sharing this history... TL is a wonderful place to learn the things they choose not to teach in our schools...

Also the frame. I find it origional and that IMO it helps tell the story

Tricia

Hi Marcos,
Interesting view of the site of eruption of Vesuve at Pompei, great shot and details , very well done .
Michel

Hi Marco,

This is very impressive and somehow seems like an intrusion in someones privacy - someone who probably died in a split second, a fragile life destroyed.
I hope this one is plaster.
Is it horrible - yes I think it is, but great reporting on your part.
Thanks Marco.

:)follow
Els

ooh! it seems he had a lot of pain Marco, a very interesting image, sharp and detailed. well presented,thanks for the notes as well.good job
regards from dubai...........andres :)later

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  • korbee Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Note Writer [C: 1483 W: 0 N: 1852] (14495)
  • [2008-01-19 4:06]

The most amazing and dramatic monument ive seen...
Very impressive Marco.
jan

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  • EOSF1 Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1977 W: 301 N: 3060] (26902)
  • [2008-01-19 5:25]

I loved Pompeii when I was there a few years ago ! What a great place ! You've done just great with that tight crop of that victim ! Very impressive, stunning ! Thanks,

Mario

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  • MLINES Gold Star Critiquer/Gold Star Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1350 W: 102 N: 1081] (9125)
  • [2008-01-28 11:16]

Hi Marco. It is a very good and clear close up of this cooked alive person. It is a fine composition as good as any seen in publications on this place. It makes us realise how vulnerable we soft humans are against raw nature. Most interesting notes. TFS. Murray.

Hahaha! Funny Title! Great capture of these human remains - the poor guy must have died horribly by his position...
Nice presentation :)
Ciao for now!!!
*** Ursula ***

hii marco
great shot
very good pov and nice colours
good to get so much details
nice face very scary
tfs Toba

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  • hester Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1320 W: 31 N: 1634] (9994)
  • [2008-02-11 11:20]

Hi Marco

These are quite sad to see, I remember them from my trip there. Good note - it sums up the feeling of the shot

TFS

Karan

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  • inaam Gold Star Critiquer/Silver Workshop Editor/Gold Note Writer [C: 1816 W: 39 N: 465] (4859)
  • [2008-02-16 5:21]

Ciao Marco,

I can cannot even think of this how those people would have suffered when the erruption took place. And this expression is well depicting the agony of death. True, like is just like a bubble of water on the timeline of history.

A beautiful expression has been captured in this image. Fine details and nicely presented. Well done my friend. Thanks for sharing this shot.

ciao Marco,

Yes, these figures are extremely haunting. I saw a program on PBS about further eruptions and new corpses. One was of a sevant woman holding a child. In this eruption, the servant was hiding in a cave next to the sea and the child was identified as the child weathly parents because it had gold jewelry, whereas the servant was identified in some other way that indicated that she was the house helper.

Frozen sadness and loss . . .

Mi piacciono i commenti con tue foto.

grazie,

Richard

Eeery. Gives me goosebumps, just like when I went through catacombs (like in Vienna, where victims of the plague were walled in)...
I don't know which has more impact: Munch or this....
Cheers
Otto

prywitanne Marco!
shot - good!but very scary)
ALiaksandr

Ciao Marco,

I never saw the horror of Pompei so closeby...eternalized on the face of this man. Shocking capture.
It shows what this man must have seen or felt the seconds before he perished.

Thank you for sharing.

Nathalie

Ciao Marco,
bellissima resa. è difficile fotografare in quelle condizioni. conosco bene l'antica città.
Complimenti per l'efficacia della fotografia.
Un saluto Mari

Wow, you captured the emotional moment in a plaster cast.
I had read of the archaeologists finding these pockets containing human remains, and remnants of their pet dogs as well as parents holding babies.
I wonder if the remains of the great Roman philosopher (Plato?) will be discovered in the ashes..

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